Weekly Update - UFO Edition

[invizion]

Hi guys and welcome to another weekly update!



Its been an interesting week in TVL, from drama to the just damn funny.

Last week I mentioned a EP Reward for members that help to recruit new and compentent raiders, This is STILL running, please ask whoever you get to apply to also put that YOU have sent them there to apply, if they complete their trial you will be awared with 1000 EP for nothing!

One thing I feel needs to be said is that quite a few people dont understand how the EPGP system works. It does NOT work like DKP.... it works on a priority system. So for example if you start hoarding EP, your EP decay will be drastic to the point of you will be coming to raids and earning no extra EP in a raiding week as you will lose just as much in the weekly decay. If you want a piece of armour... roll for it, dont wait for the OMG BiS epix... you will get it eventually.... you are just gimping both yourself and the rest of the raid. If people continue to play the system like this, we may have to look at punishing via -EP for those select few.

Last week we saw an argument in guild chat between Tarah and Wrwf which caused Braincracker to leave the guild?! Not entirely sure how that works, however we all wish him the best of luck with whatever he decides to do.

We've seen some new faces also around the guild by the names of -

Bloodypengu
Cowness
Deadlycatch
Novatrix
Soulcraft

And last but not least, Cobblepot (aka Kartha) who has been accepted for a trial after being a community member. So on behalf of the Officer team, Welcome to the guild!

We also said welcome and goodbye to Inot who seems to of been upducted by aliens ? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

So... now thats out of the way... raiding news ;D

RG1 - These guys have appeared to of caught up with RG2 on the boss kill side of progression, they are trying to perfect phase 2 of the Lich King fight. Congrats to them, the race for the first "King slayer" is now on!

RG2 - Not an awful lot of progress from what Ive been told, still having problems with regulars away on holiday, however supposedly back to full strenth for next week, good luck guys!

RG3 - Every week I get surprised by these guys, OK they're not the fastest progessing group, however, Festergut was 1shot, after weeks of wipes to 1 shotting every week, these guys are going from stregnth to stregnth, Rotface was also killed after 1 wipe. This was our first attempt at Rotface and I can safely say, that im highly impressed with how well everything seems to be coming together (at last). Just a reminder to RG3 members, we now run on a Monday and Tuesday evening due to the change in the 25 man raid days, please sign up for these days on your ingame calender.

25 Man - Putricide is FINALLY down. need I say more?

Just a note to the 25 man raiders, 25 man days are now Wednesday, Thursdays and Sundays. Again please sign up via the ingame calender for any raids you can attend, the more the better!

Since no questions have been asked this week, theres nothing I can answer if you do have any questions just leave a reply on this thread, send me a private message on the forums or email me at dale.wall40(nospampl0x)ntlworld.com with the subject Weekly Update question.

On a Final note, I ask all raiders to install EPGP Lootmaster, This will bring up a UI interface when loot is distributed(similar to the group loot UI in dungeons), makes the Master Looters life easier as they will know if you are interested and wether its for OS or MS.

So untill next week.... I must dash as the aliens have arrived.... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[nia]

[Blackxdeath]

well when it comes to the EPGP system, u have 3 stats, EP, GP and PR. now PR is the stat that is important because it desides your priority on loot. the PR stat is calculated from your EP (what u earn from raiding etc, this is a stat that will only increase and "never" decrease) devided by your GP (u start with 100 and has a amount added to it equel to the value of a item each time u buy said item)

so when i had about 60k EP and 100 GP i had about 600 PR, then i picked up a neck that cost like 275 and i was then at 375 GP and my PR was reduced from 600 to 160ish.

thing is that i understand that ppl that bhav skip bidding on stuff like the weapon from putri even if its a huge upgrade to save for the item u realy want... if my neck had cost more (like 400) i would never have bought it, since i knew i would still be on top of tanks however, i bid and got it. i also didnt bid on the tier token since it would get me below kalas and maybe even invizion/bigyin....

this is how u have to play the EPGP system if u want the best upgrades, if u officers thoght it would play out any other way u where damn naive...

as for the decay, everybody get the same decay (sure it makes a bigger dent into the EP of ppl with loads of it, but it should make the same dent into PR for everybody... placement vise atleast), and i had to lol when i read "if you start hoarding EP"... u cant lose EP(noticble amounts atleast, not counting the decay, but again that effects everybody).... only gain GP wich inturn will reduce PR. and even if u lose EP equal to the cost of the items u buy (u might allready do this, i dont know and would not have noticed if u do)... the items are dirt cheap when it comes to EP but effects the PR loads... in progress raids we get more EP every 15 min then a normal item costs to buy....

sure passing on a realy good upgrade like bhav did might seem a little stupid. but i expect loads of gear to ether be DEd, go to off specs (which get it for free) or loads of gear going to fresh ppl like naddar that allready are at the bottom of PR. ppl that that are high up on the PR list and allready have good gear will refrain to bid on small upgrades since it effects there PR to mutch...

the EPGP system works best if u start using it with a "fresh start" like a new expansion and with a steady raid group... currently the fact that PR=EP/GP means that buying items will effect your PR to mutch since buing a weapon for 550 when u only have 100 GP will reduce your PR to about 15% of what it used to be. a good example was last raid when the dagger got sharded, since no rogue was dagger speced they chose to let it be DEed instead of taking it for min bid incase they wanted to go dagger down the line since they knew it would fuck over there PR for months to come...

the fact that if i (or any of the other tanks) chose to go for the tank belt that droped from festergot for a sidgrade avoidance set instead of giving it to a dps that allready had so low PR that he had nothing to lose happend sorta proved the flaw of the system for items that are side grades or your the only one that needs...

both me, kalas and invizion have the badge belt, but im sure we all wanted it for a side grade avoidance set. but taking it would mean sutch a big bite into our PR that it would feel like we had just been raped by the entire troll nation....

another good example is the tanking bracers from first boss, as far as i know im the only tank that dont have em (since i desided to pass em to the other tanks under the old loot system, since they needed the upgrade more then me), now i will not bid for it until i have the lowest PR of all the tanks since its a small upgrade...

now u talk about abusing the system, an "whats good for the raid/guild", THIS IS how this system works and how its been "played" by all who use it, just read some forum posts about it...

its ALL about your PR standing compared to the ppl u compete with for your section of the loot pool, be it tank, healer or dps. ppl WILL save for that one item they feel is there biggest upgrade. the ppl that benefit from it are the ppl that are on the bottom of the PR list and has nothing to lose.

sure it will even out in cataclysm but for Wrath it will be like it is since many ppl need so few upgrades. and its gona be worse when RG1 and 2 gets down LK and start doing hard modes that give em better (same item lvl, but better itemized) loot then what u get in 25 man normal.

im sure that ppl would buy more items if the initila EP was bigger or item costs was smaller, since it just takes to big a chunk out of your PR as is. sure when all raid members have used this system for like 10+ items the buying of a new item isnt gona bump u from top 5 PR to bottom 5 PR like its now...


sorry for the WoT, but it had to be said.

PS. nice work on the weekly update once again, and good job with the second putri kill, maybe next time we dont need 6-7 trys and 15 ppl dead when he dies^^

now lets get that bloody queen (no pun intended) on sunday and maybe even sleepy dragon to \o/


EDIT: LOOOL think my post turned out bigger then the weekly update
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[invizion]

bxd, im not playing the system atall, if an upgrade drops or avoidance side set piece drops, ill roll on it, simples.... at the end of the day i may have a low pr rating but ill sure as hell be more versatile when it comes to certain encounters and will be better prepared... at the end of the day, every raider needs to make a choice... either go for the greed route or go for gearing to the best they can....

taking the greed route means really u shouldnt be raiding but u should be pugging as ur in it for urself no1 else...... if you take the versatility route your helping yourself aswell as the guild...

[Grimtharr]

[Bigyin]

Indeed the new system encourages two things

1)Going for items as soon as they are available to you.

2)Keeping an active attendance.

If you hold out for a BIS item, you are welcome to do so, but it will only mean after taking that item you go to the bottom, or at least lower priority. Thats the whole point of the system.

It prevents any kind of 'DKP' hording, and encourages people to quickly get any upgrade item.
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Just enough education to Tank.

BxD's words of wisdom, A Druids Motto

You're a Druid... you are expected to have the lowest overhealing (by far) and the most healed (by far), you are also expected to die more....
You are also expected to give Subliment innervate when needed (that is if he is not dead), you are also expected start a CR chain where you ress a Druid, that resses a Druid, that resses a Druid. Then that Druid resses Subliment...

[Blackxdeath]

yes bigyin, but. and this is a BIG but. for this system to work like its ment to u need 2 things : 1. a steady raid group and 2. a equal starting out point regarding gear. the second point will fix it self over time, the first isnt.

and tbh invision...

[Bigyin]

I think its fair to say you wont be happy with the system so I dont see the point in pointing out its merits. Suffice to say though the system is working for the grander scheme of raiding.
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Just enough education to Tank.

BxD's words of wisdom, A Druids Motto

You're a Druid... you are expected to have the lowest overhealing (by far) and the most healed (by far), you are also expected to die more....
You are also expected to give Subliment innervate when needed (that is if he is not dead), you are also expected start a CR chain where you ress a Druid, that resses a Druid, that resses a Druid. Then that Druid resses Subliment...

[invizion]

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